Pitching the InflataSeat™

The other evening I had a great idea while riding my MTB along a Purbeck ridge. My Merida hardtail (left) has a dropper seatpost: thumb a lever and the saddle drops 6 inches under your weight; press again with the weight off and the post springs back up to full height for efficient pedalling. Far from another MTB gimmick, I use it all the time when approaching a gate, on steep downhills or even just getting on/off or stopping to look at the map.
I think motos could use a similar feature when off road: there are times you want it high and times you want it low, with no faffing in between.
Automatic ride height adjustment as found on some H-Ds and BMW 13GSs is not the same thing. Nor is static saddle height adjustment by repositioning the seat base on its mounts; the sort of thing you usually do once. The main reason I never got the otherwise great XT700 back in 2019, was the seat was too high for what I like to do.

Do all-terrain motos really need dynamic seat height adjustment? Well, until MTB droppers came on the scene, I’d have said no and managed by manually dropping saddle for rough descents. On a moto, a high saddle – or a long peg-to-saddle distance – reduces the effort of standing up and is why competition bikes have yard-high saddles: dirt racers are on the pegs most of the time.
Those bikes are of course feather light and easy to manage in the rough. Bring a similar saddle height to a 230-kilo loaded travel bike, like the Desert X Rally I rode with (below), and tackling rough stages requires skill and commitment, assisted by plush suspension and good armour. I rarely have all four, but I do find some low saddles (above: Him 450) a bit hard on the knees, even if I can reassuringly get my feet down.

Desert X. Touchdown? No chance

My brilliant idea uses an inflatable chamber integrated in the bike’s seat foam, tech I know from inflatable kayaks. IK’s attempt to mimic the hydrodynamic form of a hardshell kayak hull with inflatable panels or tubes. This is achieved using large diameter tubes, the flat floor being made of thin linked tubes (below left) called a I-beam, as found on lilos (left). Prone to rupture if over-pressurised, a few years ago drop stitch panels from paddle boards were adapted to make boxy, ‘3-plank’ IKs (below right).

Drop stitch panels hold much higher pressures than tubes (15psi+ vs 3psi on I-beams) while retaining the flat panel shape. The result is hardshell-like rigidity with the transport and storage convenience of a roll-up kayak. Years ago, Goodyear even developed a drop stitch airplane for the US military.

For this application, it’s not about rigidity or very high pressure, but about being able to increase saddle height by 2-3 inches while retaining a normal looking moto seat.
Sadly, my pitch stumbles when it comes to inflating and deflating this chamber at the flick of a switch. Exhaust gas being too hot, some sort of separate on-board compressor would be needed which adds weight, cost and complication. And you’d want a fast purge valve as when you want less height, you probably want it fast.

PS: I have to admit Dave K’s comment suggesting a scissored lever with similar click/release mechanisms to a pushbike dropper is much better. On the jack pictured below, the base is the bike’s subframe rails and the top is the seat base. The seat is raised by spring/s under compression to engage a lock-out to stay up. A thumb lever cable (a bit like the old compression release lever on an XT500) disengages the upper lock and, aided by body weight, the seat drops to lock in the lower position. Thumb the lever again and it springs up, but ideally with a bit less force than 007’s DB5 (right).
Issues I foresee include retaining a secure seat when raised. You don’t want it wobbling about laterally when bashing about off road which may mean hefty beams. Alongside that, the inelegant gap in the raised position could be designed around.

4 thoughts on “Pitching the InflataSeat™

  1. Huan's avatarHuan

    Modern hospital beds have a similar system that inflates and deflates automatically to avoid bedsores.

    The widespread availability of small compressors should make this an easy concept to pitch,

    maybe you might be on shark tank or similar sometime soon?

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  2. thatrogerfella's avatarthatrogerfella

    Fabulous idea Chris and dare I say , well thought through (I’d expect nothing less 🤣).
    I don’t imagine the “dragons”‘from the den would embrace the idea but what do they know.
    Cheers

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  3. dwking668's avatardwking668

    Chris, Interesting problem.  My first thought is just to emulate an MTB dropper seat. Press a lever to either allow your weight to push the seat unit down against a spring, or enable the spring to raise the seat unit to a higher position. When the lever is released, the seat unit is locked in position. A single post, as used on an MTB, is unlikely to give the required strength and rigidity on a motorcycle. Instead, I would suggest a scissor-jack type of arrangement using a horizontal spring. Regards, Dave

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